Is It OK? To Help A Friend On Probation Cheat On His Drug Test?

The question will undoubtedly come up for someone who is responding to "morals questions" (or any question) as to what "technology" to be applied.  We have a standard ethics technology, but there is also the data within The Way To Happiness.  There is very little force shown as handling within the TWTH.  For instance, there is the Precept #4, Love and Help Children, where TWTH says

Whatever is one's affection for the child, remember that the child cannot survive well in the long run if he or she does not have his or her feet put on the way to survival.  It will be no accident if the child goes wrong:  the contemporary society is tailor made for a child's failure.

LRH uses "put" which has some force within its meaning.  But even here LRH uses the passive verb voice -- indicating much less directly as to "who" is to do this "putting."  Presumably a parent?  But, it could be otherwise.  Many of the other parts of this precept make it clear that the child's agreement is to be sought.

So, TWTH is very non-judgmental.  The only ACTION emphasized in this book is for the person to give copies of the book to others, "whose actions, however remotely, may influence your own survival."

With this understanding and background, if you were a "morals counselor" and using only the technology of TWTH as your guide, and if, then, someone says to you the following:

I, myself, am drug free.  However, I have a friend who is on probation from prison, and must remain drug-free.  He has not remained drug-free and is facing a drug test soon as part of his probation.  I've heard that taking niacin will hide the presence of drugs in the system.  I would like to help him.  Can you give me advice on that?

The above paragraph is slightly paraphrased. The actual original is below.

My understanding of TWTH is that should this person come to me with this origination and question, I would answer the factual question truthfully, "No, niacin cannot mask or hide the presence of drugs in the body."  But, I would also, probably, just "give" her a copy of TWTH.  I would not make any derogatory or judgmental statement -- just give her the book.

I think it would be overly judgmental to even ask her to look at some particular precept, or to suggest that her friend needed a copy of the book, etc.

That would be my view of how to respond to this girl, using only TWTH technology.

I don't know quite how an ethics officer would handle this, however, I do believe that any group could take TWTH and ADD to it some further moral codes that they would want in THEIR group.

Thus, TWTH has nothing in it requiring marriage between two people having sex, nor even anything derogatory to say about a gay couple having sex.  Should some group of Mormons want to use TWTH for their own group moral code, they would undoubtedly want to add to their code that only married couples should have sex.  This would probably be the best survival for that group even if it were not the best survival for everyone on the planet.

So, when a person is dealing with some one other person he could use whatever moral code he wishes to judge and to handle that person.  If he were sworn to use ONLY TWTH he might see the survival of some small group be damaged.  For instance, hypothetically:

My 14 year-old daughter seems to be doing well, living in my home.  I get a call that she has been arrested for drug possession, and learn that she is having sex and taking drugs.  There is no threat of jail or even a court appearance.  It is up to me to handle this.

Right away I can see that I have failed in putting her feet on the path to survival, but besides all the various precepts that have been violated here, I see my father's duty to "DO" something -- far beyond simply giving her a copy of TWTH.

The survival of this group (the family group) is threatened with destruction if she continues this behavior.  Whatever I do it is NOT to merely give her a copy of TWTH.  I might "put her through conditions," or whatever else.  Perhaps I will "ground" her -- not permit her to leave the house under any circumstances for some months, or until some amends project is completed, or whatever I do.  Depending on my training on ethics technology or even auditing technology, I could do whatever I knew what to do.

The point here is that there may well be different moral codes (or "handlings") that seem best for different groups.  (This would not be to validate "situational ethics.")

I'm writing this page for the person who might become a "morals counselor" using TWTH as the technology.  The question will arise as to whether, in the case of the girl asking for help and information about niacin?  That person?  Should you give her factual data only and give her a copy of TWTH -- nothing more.

What if this person comes to you on some other line -- NOT because she is asking you, a "morals counselor" for help, but she is asking you as an "expert on niacin" for advice.  (In this case I am an "expert on niacin."  I have several web pages that cover the subject of niacin and various search engines list those pages near the top of the rankings.  So, someone like her could logically be looking for exactly what she said, and find my page and write to me to ask the question.)

Thus, there is a real case of this, below, and Kathleen did NOT come to me through the Happiness On Line web site, nor was she seeking "morals counseling" from me.  She was asking for technical information about niacin.

As you'll see from the below, I gave her that technical information, but also took the opportunity to be judgmental.

You may have your own view on what is "right" or "wrong" in this regard, but I have generally been willing to do what I have done below.  I recognize that my handling of this probably eliminates her as a customer for my products.  I am willing to do that.



Kathleen first wrote to me this:

Dear Karl,

Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs.

Thanks for your reply.

Kathleen

I think your sight is great!!!
 

(click for original, including her address)

To which I replied:

Dear Kathleen,   No, niacin will not hide a druggie's lies.

Karl Loren

(Click for original which then also included a lengthy article about niacin)

I then sent a second message to Kathleen, including a link to a page on the Happiness Web site:

Dear Kathleen,   You need a change of morality.
 
The decline in corporate morality has a direct effect on your health -- both finance and body.  August 28, 2002.  Karl Loren, the morals philosopher, has captured the essence of this morality problem in a sharp essay.  You get the details that have been on the front pages, and Karl's advice on what YOU can do about it!

How does alcohol affect the mind?  The brain?  The Body?  New insights into old problems, with pictures that illustrate what goes on in your "mind" when you are sober and when you are drunk.  August 28, 2002  Begin to understand the difference between the brain and the mind.

Adult Web Sites?  Have you ever wondered how profitable they are?  Rare Glimpse into the economics of a porn site -- no porn here, however.  August 28, 2002. As part of Karl's ongoing project for helping people adopt a common sense moral code, here is information about one of the bad guys in our permissive society.

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The next day Kathleen wrote back as follows:

Dear Karl,

Yes, you may be right about needing a change in morality, possibly some day down the line.

I guess I should have been more specific in my question and the situation.

I do not do the stuff myself, I do have a friend who is on probation who asked me to see what I could find out about niacin and drug testing.

So that was why I emailed you.

So, I guess I shall keep hunting for an answer for him unless of coarse you have a change of heart or opinion I should say about me.

Thanks anyway.

Kathleen

A DRUG FREE PERSON!!!

Notice that her first message included that she thought my web site was great, and she is now somewhat hostile. That would be to be expected.  (Click for the original form of her message.)

I replied to this as follows (click for original form):

Dear Kathleen,   Congratulations for being a drug free person.   Shame on you for trying to help a druggie lie about his drugs.   There is no answer for HIM other than that he needs a change in morality.   And you need to understand how destructive it is for YOU to try to "help" by helping him lie.   That is the type of friend who makes you sick.   I know you won't read, but maybe?   The first link:

The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002This bold, tiny bit of data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease" problem -- here is the "universal solvent" for understanding the absence of health!

Moral Drift in Society leads to poor health, broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment losses -- August 7, 2002  At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are violations of the common sense moral code by which society runs -- deviations and perversions are becoming more and more common -- as the society drifts down the tubes!  Something can be done about it!

Hopeless Diseases!  Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose of selling drugs or bad medical advice -- August 7, 2002.  This is an usual reference -- it is a work in progress by Karl.  You'll find here links to several pages, different hopeless diseases, but this same page will feature more and more hopeless diseases, as Karl's research continues, with full descriptions -- so mark this page and return to it!

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All of the original correspondence is below, showing dates and her address information.

Karl Loren




Dear Kathleen,   No, niacin will not hide a druggies lies.  

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Dear Karl,

July 28, 1998

While doing a web search on Niacin, I stumbled upon your web page. I see a preventative cardiologist (I think the only one in LA,) Dr. Jerry Rosenberg. I've been taking 500 mg of Niacin three times a day, with meals, though I more than occasionally miss doses. I take a baby aspirin with each dose.

I've had a lot of success lowering my LDL and raising my very low HDL without drugs, and attribute most of it to diet changes and Niacin. As you seem very informed on the subject, I wonder if I might prevail upon you with a couple of questions.

My question: about once every two months, I get a severe reaction--I turn bright red, and my torso, back, arms and legs itch violently for 30-60 minutes. I can't express how violent this itching is--I take cold showers, scratch constantly, but nothing really helps. I've noticed that exercising or showering after taking the niacin can bring this on, so I avoid it.

Yesterday, I had an episode of this that lasted 3 hours (and came on 3 hours after taking the niacin.) It was the most uncomfortable I've ever been in my life. Had I known how long the episode would last, I would have gone to the emergency room. In hindsight, I think I'd been taking only about 1000 mg a day for a week or two, and yesterday only took the one 500 pill with dinner.

My questions: is this a result of my irregular doses; and is there anything I can take to mitigate the symptoms once they arise ? It's the most extraordinarily acute thing that's ever happened to me. I can't envision going through this ever again. Help !


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Kind thanks for any advice you can offer.

Jeffrey


Dear Jeffrey,

One of my favorite subjects is niacin, and I'm troubled that I haven't really written extensively on this before.

So, thanks for the question, giving me the chance to provide some data that can be very helpful to many people.

It is well known that niacin is the safest way of reducing cholesterol counts -- without any other medication.  It's also very inexpensive.

First, what you have experienced is the very well known "niacin flush."   It is a very healthy action of niacin, as you'll see as you read.

You get this action from niacin, but NOT from niacinamide.  Niacinamide was deliberately created to eliminate those factors in this B3 vitamin which cause the flush.   While there are certain benefits from niacinamide, the real winner here is B3, the niacin.

Niacin has the property of causing the small blood vessels to increase in size.   These are the capillaries.  Now, capillaries are often so small that the blood cells pass through them in single file.  It is the capillaries that take care of the vast majority of all the cells in the body.  You have large arteries near the heart, and they get smaller and smaller as them extend from the heart.  But, at the end of every well-sized artery is a very large network of capillaries.

They all start from the heart -- but at the end of the line they are tiny, tiny capillaries.

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Just take an arbitrary number for the number of living cells in your body -- perhaps one billion.  The exact number is not critical for this purpose.   Now, the question is:  "How many of those billion cells are within a fraction of an inch away from one of the large arteries so that they can get rid of toxins directly into that artery, and to get nutrients from that artery?"  I don't know, but I'll guess that it is less than 20% of all those cells.

 

Now, there are many miles of the small capillaries in your body -- a vast network which gets within a small fraction of an inch of EVERY cell in the body.  It is the capillaries which nourish the cells and which carry away the toxins.

Now, add into this equation the fact that most of the toxins in the body are stored in fat cells.  These fat cells can hold on to toxins for years, never letting it go until some "event" (like sweating or exercise).  Then, the fat cells give up their toxins and they start leaking out into the surrounding tissues.  You can have a slow-leak batch of fat cells that are poisoning you constantly.  Much of the disease that plagues mankind certainly comes from the constant slow leak of toxins from these fat cells.

These fat cells, like the millions of others, are all within a fraction of an inch of some capillary, but IF that capillary is clogged (as most often they are), and if the blood cells move through them only one cell at a time (single file), then you can see that there is not much chance for those toxins to be cleaned up by the flow of blood.

If you could find something that would increase the size of these capillaries, and not cause any harmful or adverse reaction, you can see how beneficial this would be.

In fact, niacin does this -- it causes these miles of tiny capillaries to increase in size.

It is the INCREASE in size, partly, which causes your skin to get red.

While there are miles of these capillaries all through your body, it is near the surface of your body where the arteries are NOT!  So, as all the large surface of your body, your skin, is nourished by these small capillaries, and as the capillaries get larger, you can naturally see how the skin would show that increase in blood by getting red!

But, there is something else going on.  I don't know of very many researchers who have told this story in terms that the average person can understand.

There is another substance to learn a bit about -- it is a hormone called "histamine."  You know of this substance when you buy "anti-histamine" medicines.  Without getting into a long story on that, the "anti-histamine" substances are meant to reduce the action of histamine -- this is usually not good!

What does histamine do in the body?

Well, first it can be produced by EVERY cell in the body.  And, it is nature's warning signal.

Whenever a cell is in danger (as, for instance, from a mosquito bite!), the cells that are in danger emit histamine.  That wonderful hormone has the ability to send a message to those places in the body which change the blood flow -- to send more blood (water) to that area to provide the nutrients needed to heal the problem, and to carry away the toxins.

So, when a mosquito bites you, the area around the bite itches and swells.  That is the action of histamine coming to the rescue -- bringing extra blood to supply nutrients to the cells that have been poisoned by the mosquito bite, and to carry away the poison.

When a cell is completely overwhelmed (as when it is loaded with toxins) it is in such apathy that it can't even release histamine -- in other words, it is so sick that it can't even call for help.

Now, take a look at those cells near the capillaries.  They are often loaded with toxins and there is never enough blood flowing near them to take the toxins away.

Now, put some niacin in your body!

The capillaries increase in size.  How much?  I don't know exactly, but often at least double in size.  Now, you have two blood cells going through the capillary, side-by-side.

The chances that this increased blood flow can take away some of those toxins is at least double what it had been.

As those poor cells start coming back to life -- getting rid of toxins, they rise UP to the level where they can send out calls for help.

They send out small quantities of the hormone, histamine.

Histamine causes an itchy feeling anywhere it goes.  It also causes the body to send more water (blood) to that area, but what YOU experience is the red skin and the itchy reaction from histamine.

If you take niacin and DON'T have a flush, it could be that your capillaries are too far gone to be helped, or more likely, you don't have a lot of toxins ready to be removed just then.

So, you should seek the niacin flush.  It does a great deal of good for your body -- increasing blood flow, taking nutrients to areas that are starved, and taking AWAY some of those toxins that cause illness, tiredness and disease.

There's more.

I have actually published MORE than 100 scientific studies about niacin.  Click Here to go to the Niacin Technical page, from which you can click to many other pages where niacin studies are shown.

Niacin is a vitamin that has a "getting used to" level.  In other words, the first time you take niacin you may have the flush.  If you keep taking the same amount each day, you will have the flush, maybe, on the second or third day, but by the fourth day you won't have any flush.

Then is when you should deliberately increase your niacin dose.

If you start with 50 mg per day, you probably won't have a flush -- too small.

If you start with 100 mg, you will probably have that flush.  If you keep taking 100 mg of niacin every day, then after one or two days, you won't have the flush.   Then, you could increase the dosage to 200 mg.

It is not always predictable.  You talk of taking large doses for several days, and then taking only 500 mg and getting a dramatic flush.  There are other factors besides food and exercise, but they'll wait for another day.

Etc.

I took gradually increasing amounts over a long period until I got up to 5,000 mg of niacin per day -- and of course had no flush what-so-ever after a couple days at 5,000 mg!

There is much more I could tell you about niacin -- let me give you a small clue!  

When you are experiencing that niacin flush some day, go to a private area, take off your clothing, and observe the pattern of "flush" on your body.  It will probably NOT be even!  When you've done that, and convince me to tell you more, I'll give you some even more startling information about the niacin flush.

But, there is more I can tell you about niacin.

When I was designing the Super Life Glow formula I knew that I wanted to increase the amount of niacin in it. The regular "Life Glow Plus" that I designed has 100 mg of niacin in the recommended daily dose.   Many people have the niacin flush when they first take Life Glow Plus.

But, when I was designing Super Life Glow, I wanted to be more sure that people WOULD get that flush -- so I increased the quantity of niacin to 200 mg per day.

Then some miracle of science happened. 

As I was taking my 30 capsules of Super Life Glow every day, I had the flush.  No surprise, but what was startling was that I continued to have that flush day after day.

In fact, I continued to get that niacin flush even some months after starting the 30 capsules of Super Life Glow -- and I was taking the same dosage every day -- 30 capsules containing 200 mg of niacin.  I would even get a flush taking FIVE of those Super Life Glow capsules -- far less niacin than anyone can explain as still being able to cause the flush.

I think I know why this is happening and it is an even more fantastic health benefit from using the Super Life Glow.  I won't tell all of this because I'll bet you a couple nickels that there is no other product in the world which is able to produce a constant, day after day, niacin flush with the same quantity of niacin. 

I've done it with Super Life Glow, and for now it will be my secret!

You can, of course, simply take niacin every day, separate from anything else (there are some warnings I should give you on that, though), and increase the dosage so that you continue getting a flush.

The warning?  You should never take an "unbalanced" set of vitamins.   Don't take lots of niacin without taking all the other vitamins which should be taken in proportion.  You can study the 43 ingredients in Life Glow Plus, or the 53 ingredients in Super Life Glow, figure out the proportions among these ingredients and then judge whether you are getting the proper proportions.  Click here to see the amazing list of ingredients in Super Life Glow.

So, if you want a niacin flush, every day, try Super Life Glow.  It's expensive, but there is nothing like it on the planet!

You could greatly increase the beneficial effect of the niacin flush by taking Microhydrin at the same time!

Now a few more comments about Jeffrey's question.

Yes, the itch and redness can be very dramatic sometimes.  And, hardly anything will reduce that experience except time.  You should not jump around a lot with a large dose one day and then no niacin for a few days.  If you do that, your body will lose its "tolerance" to the niacin and you'll have a big reaction on the day when you take a large quantity.

Normally if you take, say, 100 mg and get the flush, the flush will not be very dramatic.  Then increase gradually.

Also, whether or not you get the flush, and how much of a flush, depends on what food you have eaten when.  It also depends on whether you've done some exercise before taking the niacin.  Sitting in a sauna can be a helpful factor, too.

I'll bet you've never found this much information about niacin anywhere!

Thanks, Jeffery, for giving me the opportunity to write about niacin.

Oh, Jeffery, knock off that aspirin.  It is bad news.  The "research" that "proved" it was helpful to the heart?  Fraud!   Maybe I'll write about that some day!

Karl Loren


Here is an example of more information on niacin, but unfortunately with the terrible additional advice of using aspirin along with niacin -- deadly.  It is NOT that niacin and aspirin have any special problem when taken together -- it is just that aspirin is a drug that kills thousands of people every year and should not be used.

Niacin....lower cholesterol-avoid cardiac surgery?

Doctor's Advice


For years I have successfully used niacin to deal with high cholesterol/triglycerides. In many cases it has done away with the need for expensive drugs (with some bad side effects) like Zocor or Pravacol. Do NOT stop your current prescription. Try niacin for a month and see if your cholesterol drops from what it was with drugs alone. If the results are positive (I have found it effective in over 80% of my patients) you may want to wean yourself off the prescription while monitoring your cholesterol.

Your physician may tell you that niacin is dangerous. Read more about it on the net. I have experienced no problems. Niacin is also called Vitamin B3.

If you take niacin in an amount significantly larger than you have been taking in the past few days you are likely to experience a "flush," or a reddening of the skin and an itchy feeling.  Niacin is a particularly important nutrient for improving the health of the heart and for improving blood circulation.

When you get that "flush" that means that the small blood vessels in your body are being expanded in size because of the niacin.  Many of your small blood vessels, called "capillaries" are so small that blood cells can go through them only in single file.  Sometimes, in fact, that small passageway is clogged and blood doesn't get through at all.

While the large organs of the body all have blood supplied from large arteries, a great deal of your body, particularly the parts near the surface (skin and surface areas) get their ONLY supply of blood (therefore also of oxygen and food!) from these small capillaries.  So, if those capillaries are not carrying the blood, then those parts of the body are not getting nourishment and oxygen.

The niacin causes these small capillaries to get larger -- so they might be able to carry two or three blood cells at the same time.  This is a tremendous increase in blood flow.

You experience this as a reddening of the skin -- simply because there is more blood close to the surface of the body.  As this blood flows in these areas the cells of the small capillaries will also be getting rid of their waste products, and often they produce "histamine" as part of that process.  That histamine is another natural substance produced by every cell in the body -- when the cell is under attack, or is getting rid of toxins.  

Histamine causes an "itchy" feeling.

When you take niacin, begin with 100mg/day, for the first time you are probably going to have that "niacin flush" and feel itchy and have red skin.

Depending on when and what you ate, the sensation could last for 10 minutes or as long as an hour.

It is not harmful or dangerous.  Some people worry about it, but it is actually a sign of very healthy cleansing and improved blood flow.

Once you have had the niacin flush with a particular quantity of niacin, usually the next day that same dosage of niacin won't create the same effect, and usually after a few more days you will have none of this sensation -- until you increase the dosage of niacin.   When you take niacin to a new, higher level (from 100 mg, for instance, to 200 mg) you can experience the reddening again.

"Niacin can be very effective and safe in lowering low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglyceride levels and also in increasing high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels. In combination with other lipid-lowering drugs (eg, bile acid sequestrants), it has reduced the incidence of cardiovascular events and stopped the progression of coronary artery lesions. It may be the most cost-effective lipid-lowering agent currently available.

Some tips:

  1. Do NOT take niacin with hot beverages, alcohol or spicy food.

  2. Begin at 100mg at breakfast. Every 4 days increase dosage 100 mg. until you reach 1000 mg./day. eg. Days 1-4, 100mg. 5-8, 200 mg. 9-12, 300 mg. and so on.   When taking 300-500-700-900/day take the odd one at breakfast.

  3. Take 1/2 adult aspirin for the first two weeks with each dose.  [Karl Note:  This is deadly advice -- don't do it!]

  4. If any problems arise, other than skin flushing or itching, which goes away in 30-60 minutes, consult your health practitioner.

[Karl Note:  I do not advise aspirin. This section here was published by an MD advising on the use of niacin to lower cholesterol.]

Niacin is inexpensive and available at any health food store. I suggest you begin at 100 mg./day. If you are pregnant it is best to wait until you deliver to begin niacin. Please check your cholesterol and, after taking niacin for 30 days, check it again.

Karl Loren

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Dear Karl,
Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs. Thanks for your reply. Kathleen I think your sight is great!!!
 


 

Dear Kathleen,   You need a change of morality.  

The decline in corporate morality has a direct effect on your health -- both finance and body.  August 28, 2002.  Karl Loren, the morals philosopher, has captured the essence of this morality problem in a sharp essay.  You get the details that have been on the front pages, and Karl's advice on what YOU can do about it!

How does alcohol affect the mind?  The brain?  The Body?  New insights into old problems, with pictures that illustrate what goes on in your "mind" when you are sober and when you are drunk.  August 28, 2002  Begin to understand the difference between the brain and the mind.

Adult Web Sites?  Have you ever wondered how profitable they are?  Rare Glimpse into the economics of a porn site -- no porn here, however.  August 28, 2002. As part of Karl's ongoing project for helping people adopt a common sense moral code, here is information about one of the bad guys in our permissive society.

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Morals Counselor.  Karl Loren offers to give advice and opinions on questions of morality.  August 28, 2002  This is a very personal service, only by eMail, and only by your sending in the request THROUGH the message form (click) on Karl's web site on a common sense moral code.

 

References From The Previous Newsletter -- August 21, 2002

"Natural Vitamins" is a misleading label.  Avoid buying from anyone who claims his vitamins come from "natural" sources -- August 21, 2002.  The truth behind this misleading claim will help you understand much of the vitamin industry.

Robert A. Hewitt Goes From 80% Blockage to "negligible in two years on Life Glow -- Reported first in December 2000, now the final report -- August 21, 2002.  Robert was 81 when he started, and had tried another formula -- discovered to be worthless. 

Rapid Heart Beat!  Do you know anyone who has this? They worry a lot, and the drugs are not all that helpful, but Karl suggests a very simple, very inexpensive remedy on this -- August 21, 2002.  You can get what you need in any health food store -- cheap!

MSM cures her dog from biting herself -- and handles her alergies too! -- August 21, 2002.  Christine writes this personal testimonial about herself and her dog.  If you have a dog who is scratching and biting himself, you need to learn how MSM can handle that problem.

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Vibrant Life
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http://www.oralchelation.net       Karl Loren's Book, Life Flow One

http://www.bulkmsm.com            Vibrant Life MSM web site

http://www.supercolostrum.com    Karl Loren's Information about the Immune System

http://www.arthritisinformation.net    Information about arthritis

http://www.insteadof.com        Personal Photos, Etc.

http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com   New Site on Heart Disease

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com  Newest Web Site

http://www.emmessar.com  India source for MSM

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:45 PM
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Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the VL Home Section


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Dear Karl,
Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs. Thanks for your reply. Kathleen I think your sight is great!!!

 

 


Dear Kathleen,   Congratulations for being a drug free person.   Shame on you for trying to help a druggie lie about his drugs.   There is no answer for HIM other than that he needs a change in morality.   And you need to understand how destructive it is for YOU to try to "help" by helping him lie.   That is the type of friend who makes you sick.   I know you won't read, but maybe?   The first link.  

The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002 This bold, tiny bit of data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease" problem -- here is the "universal solvent" for understanding the absence of health!

Moral Drift in Society leads to poor health, broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment losses -- August 7, 2002  At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are violations of the common sense moral code by which society runs -- deviations and perversions are becoming more and more common -- as the society drifts down the tubes!  Something can be done about it!

Hopeless Diseases!  Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose of selling drugs or bad medical advice -- August 7, 2002.  This is an usual reference -- it is a work in progress by Karl.  You'll find here links to several pages, different hopeless diseases, but this same page will feature more and more hopeless diseases, as Karl's research continues, with full descriptions -- so mark this page and return to it!

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The Latest Wall Street Industry To Go Bankrupt -- Ethics Inc.  Fascinating article in the Wall Street Journal -- August 7, 2002.  See, here, also, Karl's comments about the only method by which honesty can return to Wall Street!  Laws won't do it!

 

References From The Previous Newsletter -- July 31, 2002

Bypass Surgery -- A Fraud Waiting For a Trial Lawyer!  It Doesn't Work! -- July 31, 2002.  When you fail on your diet, and the cholesterol-lowering drug doesn't work -- what is next!  Death in surgery -- Avoid bypass surgery at all costs -- find out why.

Life Glow Plus -- The Oral Chelation Formula That Is Changing The World of Cardiology -- July 31, 2002 - Vibrant Life has sold this formula for more than 17 years -- with thousands of people achieving improved blood circulation.

Meet Jean  Ross -- Wife of Karl Loren, Partner-Owner of Vibrant Life and Your Friend Of Goodwill -- July 31, 2002 - When you phone Vibrant Life it will often be Jean Ross who answers -- she welcomes your conversation.

Karl Loren Refuses To Sell Any Product To Anyone On Any Psychiatric Drug -- Karl's Advice On Health Is Worthless In The Face Of Continued  Use Of An Anti-Depressant! -- July 31, 2002  Find out why Karl has this Policy.



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen E. Chaffee [mailto:kchaffee@pmt.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:33 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Question about Niacin


Dear Karl,
Yes, you may be right about needing a change in morality, possibly some day down the line. I guess I should have been more specific in my question and the situation. I do not do the stuff myself, I do have a friend who is on probation who asked me to see what I could find out about niacin and drug testing. So that was why I emailed you. So, I guess I shall keep hunting for an answer for him unless of coarse you have a change of heart or opinion I should say about me. Thanks anyway. Kathleen A DRUG FREE PERSON!!!