Is It OK? To Help A Friend On Probation Cheat On His Drug Test?
The question will undoubtedly come up for someone who is responding to "morals questions" (or any question) as to what "technology" to be applied. We have a standard ethics technology, but there is also the data within The Way To Happiness. There is very little force shown as handling within the TWTH. For instance, there is the Precept #4, Love and Help Children, where TWTH says
Whatever is one's affection for the child, remember that the child cannot survive well in the long run if he or she does not have his or her feet put on the way to survival. It will be no accident if the child goes wrong: the contemporary society is tailor made for a child's failure.
LRH uses "put" which has some force within its meaning. But even here LRH uses the passive verb voice -- indicating much less directly as to "who" is to do this "putting." Presumably a parent? But, it could be otherwise. Many of the other parts of this precept make it clear that the child's agreement is to be sought.
So, TWTH is very non-judgmental. The only ACTION emphasized in this book is for the person to give copies of the book to others, "whose actions, however remotely, may influence your own survival."
With this understanding and background, if you were a "morals counselor" and using only the technology of TWTH as your guide, and if, then, someone says to you the following:
I, myself, am drug free. However, I have a friend who is on probation from prison, and must remain drug-free. He has not remained drug-free and is facing a drug test soon as part of his probation. I've heard that taking niacin will hide the presence of drugs in the system. I would like to help him. Can you give me advice on that?
The above paragraph is slightly paraphrased. The actual original is below.
My understanding of TWTH is that should this person come to me with this origination and question, I would answer the factual question truthfully, "No, niacin cannot mask or hide the presence of drugs in the body." But, I would also, probably, just "give" her a copy of TWTH. I would not make any derogatory or judgmental statement -- just give her the book.
I think it would be overly judgmental to even ask her to look at some particular precept, or to suggest that her friend needed a copy of the book, etc.
That would be my view of how to respond to this girl, using only TWTH technology.
I don't know quite how an ethics officer would handle this, however, I do believe that any group could take TWTH and ADD to it some further moral codes that they would want in THEIR group.
Thus, TWTH has nothing in it requiring marriage between two people having sex, nor even anything derogatory to say about a gay couple having sex. Should some group of Mormons want to use TWTH for their own group moral code, they would undoubtedly want to add to their code that only married couples should have sex. This would probably be the best survival for that group even if it were not the best survival for everyone on the planet.
So, when a person is dealing with some one other person he could use whatever moral code he wishes to judge and to handle that person. If he were sworn to use ONLY TWTH he might see the survival of some small group be damaged. For instance, hypothetically:
My 14 year-old daughter seems to be doing well, living in my home. I get a call that she has been arrested for drug possession, and learn that she is having sex and taking drugs. There is no threat of jail or even a court appearance. It is up to me to handle this.
Right away I can see that I have failed in putting her feet on the path to survival, but besides all the various precepts that have been violated here, I see my father's duty to "DO" something -- far beyond simply giving her a copy of TWTH.
The survival of this group (the family group) is threatened with destruction if she continues this behavior. Whatever I do it is NOT to merely give her a copy of TWTH. I might "put her through conditions," or whatever else. Perhaps I will "ground" her -- not permit her to leave the house under any circumstances for some months, or until some amends project is completed, or whatever I do. Depending on my training on ethics technology or even auditing technology, I could do whatever I knew what to do.
The point here is that there may well be different moral codes (or "handlings") that seem best for different groups. (This would not be to validate "situational ethics.")
I'm writing this page for the person who might become a "morals counselor" using TWTH as the technology. The question will arise as to whether, in the case of the girl asking for help and information about niacin? That person? Should you give her factual data only and give her a copy of TWTH -- nothing more.
What if this person comes to you on some other line -- NOT because she is asking you, a "morals counselor" for help, but she is asking you as an "expert on niacin" for advice. (In this case I am an "expert on niacin." I have several web pages that cover the subject of niacin and various search engines list those pages near the top of the rankings. So, someone like her could logically be looking for exactly what she said, and find my page and write to me to ask the question.)
Thus, there is a real case of this, below, and Kathleen did NOT come to me through the Happiness On Line web site, nor was she seeking "morals counseling" from me. She was asking for technical information about niacin.
As you'll see from the below, I gave her that technical information, but also took the opportunity to be judgmental.
You may have your own view on what is "right" or "wrong" in this regard, but I have generally been willing to do what I have done below. I recognize that my handling of this probably eliminates her as a customer for my products. I am willing to do that.
Kathleen first wrote to me this:
Dear Karl,
Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs.Thanks for your reply.
Kathleen
I think your sight is great!!!
(click for original, including her address)
To which I replied:
Dear Kathleen, No, niacin will not hide a druggie's lies.Karl Loren
(Click for original which then also included a lengthy article about niacin)
I then sent a second message to Kathleen, including a link to a page on the Happiness Web site:
Dear Kathleen, You need a change of morality.
The decline in corporate morality has a direct effect on your health -- both finance and body. August 28, 2002. Karl Loren, the morals philosopher, has captured the essence of this morality problem in a sharp essay. You get the details that have been on the front pages, and Karl's advice on what YOU can do about it! How does alcohol affect the mind? The brain? The Body? New insights into old problems, with pictures that illustrate what goes on in your "mind" when you are sober and when you are drunk. August 28, 2002 Begin to understand the difference between the brain and the mind.
Adult Web Sites? Have you ever wondered how profitable they are? Rare Glimpse into the economics of a porn site -- no porn here, however. August 28, 2002. As part of Karl's ongoing project for helping people adopt a common sense moral code, here is information about one of the bad guys in our permissive society.
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The next day Kathleen wrote back as follows:
Dear Karl,
Yes, you may be right about needing a change in morality, possibly some day down the line.I guess I should have been more specific in my question and the situation.
I do not do the stuff myself, I do have a friend who is on probation who asked me to see what I could find out about niacin and drug testing.
So that was why I emailed you.
So, I guess I shall keep hunting for an answer for him unless of coarse you have a change of heart or opinion I should say about me.
Thanks anyway.
Kathleen
A DRUG FREE PERSON!!!
Notice that her first message included that she thought my web site was great, and she is now somewhat hostile. That would be to be expected. (Click for the original form of her message.)
I replied to this as follows (click for original form):
Dear Kathleen, Congratulations for being a drug free person. Shame on you for trying to help a druggie lie about his drugs. There is no answer for HIM other than that he needs a change in morality. And you need to understand how destructive it is for YOU to try to "help" by helping him lie. That is the type of friend who makes you sick. I know you won't read, but maybe? The first link:
The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002This bold, tiny bit of data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease" problem -- here is the "universal solvent" for understanding the absence of health!
Moral Drift in Society leads to poor health, broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment losses -- August 7, 2002 At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are violations of the common sense moral code by which society runs -- deviations and perversions are becoming more and more common -- as the society drifts down the tubes! Something can be done about it!
Hopeless Diseases! Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose of selling drugs or bad medical advice -- August 7, 2002. This is an usual reference -- it is a work in progress by Karl. You'll find here links to several pages, different hopeless diseases, but this same page will feature more and more hopeless diseases, as Karl's research continues, with full descriptions -- so mark this page and return to it!
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All of the original correspondence is below, showing dates and her address information.
Karl Loren
Dear Kathleen, No, niacin will not hide a druggies lies.
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My question: about once every two months, I get a severe reaction--I turn bright red, and my torso, back, arms and legs itch violently for 30-60 minutes. I can't express how violent this itching is--I take cold showers, scratch constantly, but nothing really helps. I've noticed that exercising or showering after taking the niacin can bring this on, so I avoid it. |
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often they are), and if the blood cells move through them only one cell at a time (single file), then you can see that there is not much chance for those toxins to be cleaned up by the flow of blood.
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not jump around a lot with a large dose one day and then no niacin for a few days. If you do that, your body will lose its "tolerance" to the niacin and you'll have a big reaction on the day when you take a large quantity.Niacin is inexpensive and available at any health food store. I suggest you begin at 100 mg./day. If you are pregnant it is best to wait until you deliver to begin niacin. Please check your cholesterol and, after taking niacin for 30 days, check it again.
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Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs. Thanks for your reply. Kathleen I think your sight is great!!!
Dear Kathleen, You need a change of morality.
| The decline in corporate morality has a direct effect on your health -- both finance and body. August 28, 2002. Karl Loren, the morals philosopher, has captured the essence of this morality problem in a sharp essay. You get the details that have been on the front pages, and Karl's advice on what YOU can do about it!
How does alcohol affect the mind? The brain? The Body? New insights into old problems, with pictures that illustrate what goes on in your "mind" when you are sober and when you are drunk. August 28, 2002 Begin to understand the difference between the brain and the mind. Adult Web Sites? Have you ever wondered how profitable they are? Rare Glimpse into the economics of a porn site -- no porn here, however. August 28, 2002. As part of Karl's ongoing project for helping people adopt a common sense moral code, here is information about one of the bad guys in our permissive society. Not Subscribed to the Wednesday Letter yet? You can subscribe by filling in your name and email address in the boxes below, and clicking on Subscribe. |
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| Morals Counselor. Karl Loren offers to give advice and opinions on questions of morality. August 28, 2002 This is a very personal service, only by eMail, and only by your sending in the request THROUGH the message form (click) on Karl's web site on a common sense moral code. |
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Vibrant Life
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Burbank, CA 91504
Phones: (800) 225-2308
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Karl Loren: karl@karlloren.com
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http://www.oralchelation.net Karl Loren's Book, Life Flow One
http://www.bulkmsm.com Vibrant Life MSM web site
http://www.supercolostrum.com Karl Loren's Information about the Immune System
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http://www.insteadof.com Personal Photos, Etc.
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Dear Karl,
Can you tell me if a large dose of Niacin is taken about 12 hours prior to drug testing will a drug test come back clean for meth (speed)? Large dose I would say like 3,500 mgs. Thanks for your reply. Kathleen I think your sight is great!!!
Dear Kathleen, Congratulations for being a drug free person. Shame on you for trying to help a druggie lie about his drugs. There is no answer for HIM other than that he needs a change in morality. And you need to understand how destructive it is for YOU to try to "help" by helping him lie. That is the type of friend who makes you sick. I know you won't read, but maybe? The first link.
The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002 This bold, tiny bit of data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease" problem -- here is the "universal solvent" for understanding the absence of health! Moral Drift in Society leads to poor health, broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment losses -- August 7, 2002 At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are violations of the common sense moral code by which society runs -- deviations and perversions are becoming more and more common -- as the society drifts down the tubes! Something can be done about it! Hopeless Diseases! Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose of selling drugs or bad medical advice -- August 7, 2002. This is an usual reference -- it is a work in progress by Karl. You'll find here links to several pages, different hopeless diseases, but this same page will feature more and more hopeless diseases, as Karl's research continues, with full descriptions -- so mark this page and return to it! Not Subscribed to the Wednesday Letter yet? You can subscribe by filling in your name and email address in the boxes below, and clicking on Subscribe. |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen E. Chaffee [mailto:kchaffee@pmt.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:33 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Question about Niacin
Dear Karl,
Yes, you may be right about needing a change in morality, possibly some day down the line. I guess I should have been more specific in my question and the situation. I do not do the stuff myself, I do have a friend who is on probation who asked me to see what I could find out about niacin and drug testing. So that was why I emailed you. So, I guess I shall keep hunting for an answer for him unless of coarse you have a change of heart or opinion I should say about me. Thanks anyway. Kathleen A DRUG FREE PERSON!!!