X -- Has Problems, But Doesn't Know How To Solve Them

 

Dear X,   Yes, stuff sent to me remains confidential.   The most gentle thing we can do to change another is what is advised with this book.   Just give the book (get extra copies) to those who are important to you.  There is no need to evaluate that they "need" it -- just give the book.   If they throw it away? Well, that gentle approach didn't do anything.   If they read it, perhaps they will change.   As I say, this is the most gentle of approaches.   Then there would a whole range of more proactive actions -- the book does not include those as part of its technique.   But, you can still use a more proactive approach -- it is YOUR life and YOUR moral code.   At the end of this ranges is disconnection.  This where you say, to sister, "Sister, I think you are drinking to much.  It causes XXXX.  I would like to continue in communication with you, but I am telling you, right now, that if you don't change XXX, I will no longer be willing to talk to you."   You can't say this without the willingness to do it.   You can't live with any happiness if you are UNWILLING to say it when that is the only path.   So, somewhere between being a doormat, and having a  possibly violent argument, and disconnecting, is the action that should work and that you can do.   I could coach you through some possible decisions, but all of them will depend on your ability to put them into effect.   I ramble a bit, but let me know how serious you want to be about this -- do you REALLY want to be happy?  Are you willing to ask, gently, for someone to change behavior, but being ready to disconnect if they won't change.   Or, be a doormat.   Let me know how this sounds,   GUilt trip?  Who told you that you have to love someone who is harming you?  Are they "immoral?"  Well, if they violate the code in the book, I would say they are.  Do they violate YOUR rules? Then, yes, they are.   Others are invited into your space based on your rules -- otherwise they are trespassers.     Karl Loren
       
 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:23 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

 
Dear Karl, Let me clarify, I definitely do believe people can (& sometimes need to) change.  I just meant that we are always being told that we can't change someone, they have to do that themselves. I haven't gotten the books yet, but have looked at a lot of information on your website (it's great, thank you!) and see so many people violating moral codes, it's overwhelming!  And yes they have wrong relationships around them, as well. I am definitely willing to do the work, and appreciate your offer of help.  I've read that you keep information and names confidential? The alcoholic is my older sister. The boundary violaters are mostly my inlaws.  They've been told, but still continue and when confronted cry & use guilt. It's hard to disconnect from parents.  We are not financially dependent on them at all.  Emotionally dependent??? not me, but maybe my husband.  Not sure if their behavior is immoral? Guilt trip for me, that I'm "supposed" to be kind, loving, caring, nice, a good Christian etc....and I am, but don't want to be a doormat either.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Loren
Cc: Kimberly
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

 

 

Dear x

If you believe people can't change, you are doomed.

If you don't believe you can influence others to change, you are doomed to live amongst wrong relationships, never be happy, and be sick.

So, this is serious stuff.

Those books, when you get them, will help you judge who, around you, is violating these simple common sense moral codes, and who is not.

The very low-level solution is simply to give these books to those people.

They, you see, have other wrong relationships around THEM.  And so, like oil on a troubled sea, gradually spreading out, with more oil added, here and there, the entire sea can become calm.

You must not associate with alcoholics.  When you do that, you are going to be constantly unhappy.

It is even worse if the alcoholics include a spouse, child, parent or anyone close. The closer they are to you the more harmful effect that immoral behavior will have on YOU.

It will also make you sick.

Boundaries you have set?  Those simply need to be communicated to all of these people, and when and if they violate those boundaries, you have no choices other than:

1.  You try to get them to respect your boundaries -- talk.

or

2.  You warn them that if it happens ONE MORE TIME, you will disconnect and not talk to them until they apologize and make up whatever damage they have caused.

Again, this applies even more to spouse, children, parents or others close to you.

You don't realize how deadly it is to have immoral associates. They are not friends. They are harming you.

You can use the book to spot what is a simple breach of a common sense moral code.

You should not disconnect without trying to get them to change.  If that doesn't work?  Then, you must not disconnect without giving them a warning.

But, if that doesn't work, you have no choice.

It gets hard when you are financially, or emotionally dependent on one or more of this type of person.

You then have to choose between being a slave in a very harmful relationship, or getting free of the baggage.

I can help more, if you have the courage, if you give me more details.

Many people get into these wrong relationships SO DEEP that they can not recover. They are doomed to an unhappy and sick life.

There is no drug that helps in this area.

I can help, but you will have to have the courage to take charge of your own life.

The books will help you spot them.

In the meantime, my web site will help you spot many of their immoral acts.

HOW you handle? Well, I can help there, but you have to be willing to do all the work -- I only suggest the handling -- you do it!

Let me know.

Karl Loren

 
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:39 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

 
Yes, I agree wrong relationships can cause health problems. But what is a person supposed to do about it? and the people?  We're constantly told you can't control or change other people, just ourselves. I have wrong relationships in 2 different categories 1.  People who are alcoholic, etc... 2.  People who violate boundaries I've set Any help is really appreciated. I've ordered and can't wait for the books. Thank you!
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Loren
Cc: Kimberly
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

  Dear x,   If you have "anxiety" problems, then you have a wrong relationship problem.   That is not something solved with any pill.   Read this link carefully and get back to me with your comments.   Karl  

The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002This bold, tiny bit of data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease" problem -- here is the "universal solvent" for understanding the absence of health!

Moral Drift in Society leads to poor health, broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment losses -- August 7, 2002  At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are violations of the common sense moral code by which society runs -- deviations and perversions are becoming more and more common -- as the society drifts down the tubes!  Something can be done about it!

Hopeless Diseases!  Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose of selling drugs or bad medical advice -- August 7, 2002.  This is an usual reference -- it is a work in progress by Karl.  You'll find here links to several pages, different hopeless diseases, but this same page will feature more and more hopeless diseases, as Karl's research continues, with full descriptions -- so mark this page and return to it!

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The Latest Wall Street Industry To Go Bankrupt -- Ethics Inc.  Fascinating article in the Wall Street Journal -- August 7, 2002.  See, here, also, Karl's comments about the only method by which honesty can return to Wall Street!  Laws won't do it!

 

References >From The Previous Newsletter -- July 31, 2002

Bypass Surgery -- A Fraud Waiting For a Trial Lawyer!  It Doesn't Work! -- July 31, 2002.  When you fail on your diet, and the cholesterol-lowering drug doesn't work -- what is next!  Death in surgery -- Avoid bypass surgery at all costs -- find out why.

Life Glow Plus -- The Oral Chelation Formula That Is Changing The World of Cardiology -- July 31, 2002 - Vibrant Life has sold this formula for more than 17 years -- with thousands of people achieving improved blood circulation.

Meet Jean  Ross -- Wife of Karl Loren, Partner-Owner of Vibrant Life and Your Friend Of Goodwill -- July 31, 2002 - When you phone Vibrant Life it will often be Jean Ross who answers -- she welcomes your conversation.

Karl Loren Refuses To Sell Any Product To Anyone On Any Psychiatric Drug -- Karl's Advice On Health Is Worthless In The Face Of Continued  Use Of An Anti-Depressant! -- July 31, 2002  Find out why Karl has this Policy.

 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:46 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

 
Dear Karl, Thanks for responding so quickly.  I am definitely NOT on any anti-depressant and feel like I'm fighting it all the way.  I've been pressured so many times to go on something, and know many, many people who are on them, but don't feel it's right for me.  And I've read so much on your websites about the dangers and agree with you.  One doctor said if I was a diabetic I'd take insulin, so why wouldn't I take anti-depressants. I've instead tried diet changes, herbs, homeopathy, exercise, counseling, tapes & workbook (Lucinda Basset), etc...One herb lady suggested maybe I had parasites, another yeast.  I'm getting frustrated and to the end of my rope. I can't keep going like this. Any advice would be appreciated and helpful. 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

 

Dear X   I have advice to offer, but only when I am confident that the person I am writing to is not taking any anti-depressant currently.   The eagerness is generally always there to get off them.   People on them will often lie and say they are off, in order to try something else, but they are still connected to that harmful source -- the doctor who prescribed them.   so, they really don't get off.  They "kinda get off," knowing that if things get bad, they can get back on.   So, yes I can help, but a person who is on some AD must turn in the drug-pusher who gave the prescription.   The AD is death, doom.  If you cannot see that as far worse than anxiety, then you will never turn in the mal-practicing doctor who put you on the drug.   Read, here, my comments about "chemical doctors." They are evil people and need to be brought into the public eye!   Here:   http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/PreventCancer/p65.htm   I invite you to help yourself and many others.  I have a crusade to help mankind.  One of the largest enemies of mankind is the psychiatrist or other doctor who prescribes psychiatric drugs.   Read not only that page, but all the links, including the story about Dr. Wundt and Mr. Rockefeller.   Then, write back.   Regards,   Karl Loren

 

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Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section


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&agree with your opinion regarding the use of anti-depressants.  What do you suggest someone with severe anxiety use instead? Thanks