Hi Karl. Its Sam again. I have
had anxiety attacks for many of years and once my
friend got killed I started dwelling on the
afterlife and death . I've tried counseling, etc. I
have these obsessive thoughts of killing myself and
not being able to handle more deaths in the family.
Im only 23 and have a wonderful 3 year old boy. Is
suicide wrong in that case (depression and
anxiety)?
Dear Sam,
You have
undertaken an obligation having a son only 3.
It would be a
criminal act to abandon him, whether by leaving
or death. Obviously, "criminal" here only refers
to your moral obligation.
About child
abuse??
You would be
guilty of child abuse if you commit suicide.
Your so-called
mental problems are easily solved, if you are
willing.
I do not gather
that you read all the stuff I sent??
Assure me that you
have??
One reference, in
particular, is at the heart of your problems -- I
want to help, but do not even try to help someone
who does not want help.
Here is something
else to ponder.
Are you a student
ready for a teacher. What I sent you should have
taken some hours to read and consider. If you do
not read my stuff, I will not try to help you at
all.
Karl
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Karl, how can you ever
overcome , be happy and not depressed when
a loved one (parents, spouse, child) dies
or gets killed? I cant overcome that. Thats
why Im always depressed. Also just
wondering the purpose of life and why we
are here. SN
Dear Samantha,
There are
certainly answers to these questions. I have
found them.
But, my experience
is that what you need is NOT philosophical
answers to such questions but something much more
immediate to your situation.
Sam, let me ask
you a curious question.
I think I can help
you, and I'm willing to try.
Whether or not I
can help you will depend utterly on whether or
not we have an open and honest dialogue.
You requested the
free books on August 21st.
I entered your
name and address in my computer on August 23rd,
and we sent out the books a couple days later.
Yet, you wrote to
me on August 22nd and said you had received the
books.
Since I had not
yet sent them, I'm curious as to what happened.
As I said, I can
only help you, if you want help, if you are very
truthful with your thoughts.
It is a curious
outpoint that you wrote that you had received my
books before I even sent them????
I could conclude
several possible explanations, but I ask you to
send me what is the real situation.
With that question
cleared up I think I can give you some advice.
I'm looking
forward to hearing from you.
Cordially,
Karl LorenReturn To Top
September 6, 2002
Karl,
I am sorry. I do not know
when I received your books. It was a few days
after I requested them . I know I did write you
back stating how I thought you were a real nice
person for taking the opportunity to answer and
write back to complete strangers and try to help
them. I wrote that probably a day after I
requested the books. I dont know the whole story,
I'm very sorry. I jusr need some insight /answers
to these questions that have been burdening me
for such a long time. I cant get over death and
be happy again. ~Sam~
Dear Samantha,
It is very
possible that I cannot help you any further, Sam.
The help
that I can give you is based on truth, and
honesty between us. I speak the truth to
you and I am honest in what I say. If, on
the other hand, you give me false data to work
with, then I cannot help you.
This seems
to be a very trivial thing.
But . . . .
It is the
nature of the eMail programs to put an automatic
date and time on when a message is sent.
Your first
message to me, requesting the books, arrived on
August 21. Here is that exact message.
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Source: Happiness On Line Org
Contact_FirstName: Samantha
Contact_LastName: Moore
Contact_MiddleInitial: L
Subscribe: Please send the two free books
Contact_Title:
Contact_Organization:
Contact_WorkPhone:
Contact_HomePhone: 606-377-2070
Contact_FAX:
Contact_Email: Sammileigh_84@yahoo.com
Contact_URL:
Contact_Address_1: 3246 Frasures crk rd
Contact_Address_2:
Contact_City: McDowell
Contact_State: Kentucky
Contact_Zip: 41647
Contact_Country: United States
Survey: No reply on this question
Remote Name: 216.78.112.132
Remote User:
HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows 98; DigExt; Hotbar 2.0; AIRF)
Date: Wednesday August 21, 2002
Time: 12:23:04 PM -0600
message:
You'll note that
it is dated August 21, 2002.
I responded with a form message on August
22nd.
However on that same day, August 22nd, you
wrote as follows:
HI! Karl. This is Samantha. I had just received and
read your book and thought it was fabulous. I just
wanted to know your views on death and suicide. You
see, my best friend (age 20) got killed in a car
accident last year and my other friend had committed
suicide. Now I obsess on these 2 topics and it drives
me nuts. i'm afraid that a freak accident will happen
to my family (parents, son, etc.). I worry I'll go
nuts and not know how to handle that situation.
How do you still remain happy after the death of a
loved one. I am a Catholic and believe in God and
Heaven, but no one is DEFINATELY sure what happens to
you when you die. Any suggestions? It would help alot
. Thank you. I hope to be hearing from you soon.
Samantha-
samski97@msn.com
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You'll
notice that your message is dated August 22,
2002, at 10:38 AM.
You said "I
had just received and read your book . ."
It is
impossible that you could have had books from me
on August 22nd since I did not send them out
until after that date. It is also very
obvious that if your incoming request for the
books is dated August 21, then you could not have
received them on August 22nd.
Samantha,
you are NOT responding to my messages in the way
that I expect. In other words I give you
some ideas about death and suicide -- ideas that,
in my usual counseling experience, should help
you be happier.
You are not
happier! Apparently?
I have great
confidence that my technique for helping people
actually works -- all the time.
When it
doesn't work there are some very simple
explanations.
The most
likely explanation is that the person I am trying
to help is giving me false data.
I can only
help with the information that I receive, and on
the basis that it is true.
If the data
I receive is not true, then my "help" is
inappropriate.
Your
response to my last message, asking about this
apparent false data you gave me about when you
received the books?? That response was:
I do not know when I
received your books. It was a few days after I
requested them .
I see what you are saying, but what you are
saying does not fit with the observed facts.
No matter how polite I might try to be,
Samantha, I cannot say this in any other way.
Your statement that you have received the
books had to be a false statement.
I do not ask you WHY you would make a false
statement to me but since it is obvious to me
that you have lied to me I simply must tell you
that I cannot help you when you lie to me.
I could GUESS as to what actually happened,
but those guesses would not be helpful here.
If you cannot tell me the truth then I cannot
help you in any way.
Samantha, something is going on here. I
know that I don't have the truth about it.
You have the truth of it and if you are
willing to be honest with me, then I can help
you.
Regards,
Karl Loren
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Dear Karl- I forgive you
for your mistake. If you take a look at the
last message you sent me, (from August 21st)-
that's NOT MY message. That is from a
different girl named Samantha L Moore from
McDowell, KY. Her e-mail address is
"sammileigh_84 @yahoo.com." I am somone
different.
That is Not me or my
message!!!!!.
I am Samantha M Nowakowski
from Sugar Notch, PA 18706 ;e-mail address is
samski97@msn.com
We are 2 totally
different people. You must have read them
wrong since both of our names are Samantha. I
had to have requested the books a while
before August 21st. Please check that date
again for me. I AM telling the truth and I am
NOT a liar.
Respectfully, ~SAM~
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You are right.
I was wrong in accusing
you of lying.
I apologize.
I'm going to look
further, now, to find your original message, not the
other one.
I'll also get back to
you with more on this.
Regards,
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: root (System Administrator) [mailto:root
(System Administrator)]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:29 AM
To: happy@happinessonline.org
Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the Happiness
On Line Org
*******************************************************************************
Source: Happiness On Line Org
Contact_FirstName: Samantha
Contact_LastName: Nowakowski
Contact_MiddleInitial:
Subscribe: Please send the two free
books
Contact_Title: Administrative Assistant
Contact_Organization: Computer Networking Co.
Contact_WorkPhone: 570-830-4096
Contact_HomePhone: 570-822-8620
Contact_FAX: 570-823-7998
Contact_Email: samski97@msn.com
Contact_URL:
Contact_Address_1: 107 Hemlock Street
Contact_Address_2:
Contact_City: Sugar Notch
Contact_State: PA
Contact_Zip: 18706
Contact_Country: usa
Survey: Some Other Way -- mentioned
below
Remote Name: 64.65.218.132
Remote User:
HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
Date: Tuesday August 13, 2002
Time: 07:28:53 AM -0600
message:
Dear Karl,
I am new at your site. I found it on a
freebiefix.com. I have looked at it and it seems
very interesting. You seem like a very nice and
generous person for doing the things you do and
respond to everyone who writes you. You must be
very dedicated. Thank you and God Bless!!!!! Sam
Dear Samantha,
Thank you for
forgiving my mistake.
I congratulate
you on being "strong" enough to respond so
vigorously!
Now, I won't go
back to my accusation any more than to say,
nonetheless, that the data about truth and honesty
is still very valid and vital.
YOUR original
message to me was dated Tuesday, August 13, 2002.
Just for thoroughness I've pasted in a copy of that
here.
-----Original Message-----
From: root (System Administrator) [mailto:root
(System Administrator)]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:29 AM
To: happy@happinessonline.org
Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the Happiness
On Line Org
*******************************************************************************
Source: Happiness On Line Org
Contact_FirstName: Samantha
Contact_LastName: Nowakowski
Contact_MiddleInitial:
Subscribe: Please send the two free
books
Contact_Title: Administrative Assistant
Contact_Organization: Computer Networking Co.
Contact_WorkPhone: 570-830-4096
Contact_HomePhone: 570-822-8620
Contact_FAX: 570-823-7998
Contact_Email: samski97@msn.com
Contact_URL:
Contact_Address_1: 107 Hemlock Street
Contact_Address_2:
Contact_City: Sugar Notch
Contact_State: PA
Contact_Zip: 18706
Contact_Country: usa
Survey: Some Other Way -- mentioned
below
Remote Name: 64.65.218.132
Remote User:
HTTP User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
Date: Tuesday August 13, 2002
Time: 07:28:53 AM -0600
message:
Dear Karl,
I am new at your site. I found it on a
freebiefix.com. I have looked at it and it seems
very interesting. You seem like a very nice and
generous person for doing the things you do and
respond to everyone who writes you. You must be
very dedicated. Thank you and God Bless!!!!! Sam
I found the
"wrong" message by searing through my pile of sent
messages for "Samantha" and found Moore's message
and wrongly assumed it was YOUR message.
I have now
re-reviewed all the messages between us.
Let me first
indicate that I am still eager to help you if I
can.
Let me start,
anew, with a request for further data about you.
Your first
message indicates that you are an "Administrative
Assistant" for a Computer Networking Co.
That is
impressive.
Would you mind
telling me more about your job? What you do?
How you like it? Stuff like that.
Since this
exchange has already been quite personal, and
promises to continue, let me give you a bit of
comfort that I am not trying to hit on you. I
am 71 years old, happily married, with six children
and 20 grandchildren. What you see is what
you get!
I'll get back
to you regularly as this moves along.
Thanks,
Karl Loren
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HI Karl, I am
sorry for the late response, but I haven't been
on the computer until today.
Yes, I am an Administrative
Assistant. I don't really like it since all I
do here all day is sit here on the internet and
be depressed.
I obsess about death,
suicide, etc. like I said and I'll just go
surfing the net on info. about it and depress
myself even more.
I just got a new car and they
are paying me decent here so I need the money.
Soon , I want to go back to
school, not sure for what yet. my therapist
said that I shouldn't make any major decisions
until I get better but I feel like I will never
get better. I can't handle death and not
knowing what it's like after someone dies.
And knowing you are never
going to see them again. I think about this
constantly and can't get it off of my mind.
I am sorry for going on anf
on about this , but it scares me. I have a bad
anxiety condition. Thats what is making me
depressed, I think.
But more about me, I have a
wonderful 3 year old son. My parents are in
great condition and we have a great
relationship.
My boyfriend is also great.
My life is good and I don't understand why I
am beating myself up over these obsessive
thoughts. I don't know whats wrong with me.
Ever since my best friend got killed last
Halloween I"ve been like this.
Talk to you soon.
~Sam~
Dear Sam,
I now believe we are getting somewhere.
I have more questions.
Tell me about your boyfriend. Is he the
father of your daughter? Do you live
together? Does he contribute to the cost of
living? How does he get along with your
daughter?
What are you supposed to be doing on your job?
Tell me about your boss?
The therapist? Please tell me her/his
name. How long have you been seeing her?
How often during the week? How long each
session? Her credentials? What do you
talk about? What suggestions has she made,
other than the one you mentioned that you
shouldn't make any changes until you are well?
For your anxiety condition... I believe
you have already told me, but please tell me
again if you have. Have you taken any
anti-depressants? Are you taking them now?
Is the therapist recommending them?
Sam, there is light at the end of the tunnel,
I am now certain.
Write soon!
Regards,
Karl Loren
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28.
Hi Karl. I'm sorry it has
taken so long from a response and I've been
very anxious to write you again. I've actually
been busy at work. Really all that I do is sit
here all day and go on the inter net and try to
find ways to rid my anxiety, depression , and
so on. But my boss has been off the road the
last week or so and hes been here giving me
alot of work to do.
My boyfriend is relatively
a good guy. He's not my sons father. He's been
with me since my son was 8 months old, though.
Now he's 3 1/2. Recently he's been ignoring
him, saying he's an aweful kid, but come on
he's only 3 years old. Thats how they are. He
doesn't help me around the house. Within the
last week I've been considering on moving out
and taking a break. He said if I move out its
totally over. I don't know what to do with
that. I really don't know what I want myself.
my therapist I've been
seeing since December. I see him now every 2
weeks for 1 hour. He basically tells me the
same things over and over which I know has
helped other people but I cant seem to apply
the methods to myself. I feel very stubborn.
Lately, I've been trying to disect myself and
maybe I just don't love myself. I dont know.
I was on a few
antidepressants, 1 made me very sick, the other
3 just gave me bad side effects and even after
atking them for a while, had no effect on me. I
obsess on the negative , sad things in life and
can't help it. I've tried too hard and I'm just
about drained right about now. Since I'm on the
computer, I have TOO MUCH info. on depression,
anxiety, grief, etc.
My main problem is I worry
about Bad things happening to my son, family
and friends. Since my best friend got killed in
a drunk driving accident last Halloween, I've
been like this. Wondering what our purpose in
life is, why we are here, etc. It drives me
nuts. I feel like I'm going to either kill
myself or go nuts when someone else close to me
dies because I feel almost like that now. Just
knowing you are never going to see that person
ever again in this lifetime really scares me.
I'm a Catholic and believe that there is a
heaven, but no one could be 100% sure where you
go after you die.
OK, talk to you soon,
lunch is almost over. Bye and Thank
You---SAMANTHA
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Dear Sam,
There is no
solution to anxiety by surfing the web. The great
bulk of "answers" there are tied to groups of
victims who write to one another about their
victim-hood, and also tied to use of psychiatric
drugs.
Neither of these
will help you one whit.
You are not very
keen on accepting me as a source of advice -- I
see that. So, I'll be just a bit more brutally
frank than I have been. I cannot help someone
who is trying hard to die.
By your own
actions, and refusal to accept real help, you
continue to prove that you are trying to die.
Many people try to die, and protest all along the
way that they are trying to solve their problems.
False, they say that, but it is not true. You
are doing many things, below, that lead to your
death, slow and painful. I can help, but you
will have to make some changes that, so far, you
seem unwilling to make??
I've written to
you that your "anxiety" problems are based on
having "wrong relationships." If you read my
page about that the most likely wrong
relationship would be a spouse, parent, child --
then others.
You have told me
you have no such wrong relationships.
Yet, in this
message you describe exactly what you claim you
do not have.
You are living
with a boyfriend -- not married.
He is NOT the
father of your son.
You do not write
about the real father, but you have a wrong
relationship with him, even if you don't see him,
since he is not taking responsibility for his
fathering.
You describe great
problems with your boyfriend. He threatens you!
He harms your son! You know that is what he is
doing to your son!
You worry about
your son, yet he lives with someone who dislikes
him. That is a formula for child abuse.
You continue to
see a therapist -- I tell you that HE is probably
the worst possible source of help you can find,
and next to the "boy friend" the most powerful
"wrong relationship" in your life.
You admit to
having taken anti-depressants. They make you
have panic attacks. You may not believe it, but
that is the terrible truth about psychiatric
drugs. They cause the type of behavior that they
claim to "solve."
Trying to "disect"
yourself is a fool's errand. You are not in any
condition to look inward and find truth.
Your Catholic
religion is NOT helping you. You apparently have
not tried getting help from a Priest?
Sam, this has been
very blunt.
Partly that is
because I have so very little contact with you --
only through these irregular eMails. I don't
offer any other contact with you, but when the
contact is as limited as this, I can only watch
in horror as my offers of help go unheeded.
It is certainly
YOUR choice -- you can do whatever you wish with
your life.
If you continue as
you have been, you are doomed.
If you want some
help, I can offer it, but it will require honesty
on your part, and courage.
You know that the
"boyfriend" is NOT right for you. He threatens
you and he is mean to your son. Why, for the
sake of God, do you live with him even one more
minute?
Why?
Because you are
dependent on him.
You have a great
deal to do if you want to save you and your son's
life.
Do you?
Let me know.
Cordially,
Karl Loren
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KArl, yes, I want to save myself and my child .
Please give me advice. I need something
different thanwhat otheres say. What do you
suggest?I am being honest with whatever I tell
you. sam
OK!
First, I need a
bit more information.
How do you pay
your bills? Any money from boyfriend? You live
in HIS place? My advice will never require any
money to me. Do you have any personal savings?
Car? Furniture? How much stuff do you have in
HIS place?
You are probably
going to have to economize, depending on what
resources you have.
Who loves you --
parents anywhere close?
Good friend? If
the boyfriend owns the place, or your are on his
nickle there, that is a very harmful dependent
relationship. Where can you go? Who can you
move in with.
You should move
out. The sooner the better. But, you have to
have a place to move to first. Where would that
be? Don't antagonize the boyfriend -- even if he
is harmful to you. If you antagonize him he can
cause more harm.
(If I have this
wrong, and HE is in YOUR place, then what would
it take for you to kick him out?)
Don't move in with
anyone who is sad or depressed -- it will be just
another wrong relationship.
Don't hesitate to
move in with parents if they are OK and will have
you.
You should stop
taking any anti-depressants if you are. But, if
you are taking now, and want to stop, I can
help.
Let me know
honestly about all these things.
Any street drugs
recently, or currently?
You are going to
want to discontinue seeing the therapist -- no
need to even give him any reason, but if you
wish, tell him you feel you have had as much help
from him as he can give --- in other words
polite.
How were you
paying him? How much? Do you owe him anything?
You should start
planning some activity (like exercise or work in
the garden) that gets you sweating and that gets
your attention OUT of yourself, and onto things
in your enviornment -- trees, buildings, outward.
Anxiety is all
INSIDE you -- that is where you are putting your
attention -- inward. Whatever is in there is
going to be there (for now) so DON'T put your
attention inward. Instead you will feel better
with your attention outward. Exercise is
generally a good way to do that -- running or
whatever, but keep your mind on the outside
things.
Are you a member
of any gym? Can you be? The YWCA is often quite
inexpensive.
What interests,
hobbies do you have -- particularly ones that
involve DOING as opposed to thinking.
You want to be
DOING stuff -- keeping the body active, not
sitting. Sitting encourages inward thinking --
you want outward looking.
Let me know.
Karl Loren
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Hello Again Karl. Well, I
do contribute to bills paid at my boyfriends
house. I just bought a newer car and
everything but the furniture in my boyfriends
house is MINE!! My parents very much want me
to move in with them for now, until I can pay
off my loans, car payment , etc. to get my
own place. What do you think about low income
housing for a while? Yes, I definatelly want
to get off of the antidepressants . I hate
them. My doctor just upped them and I told
him how I don't like them and they don't help
me. He told me to keep taking the higher
dosage and I'll feel better. Thats what he
said 10 months ago. I don 't want to be on
them.I also take a type of valium called
klonopin that helps with my panic. I do not
take street drugs, although I do go out with
my friends once a weekend to a club and drink
a few.
Activities- I do like
making crafts, decorating, stuff like that.
My dad for my birthday got me a years
membership to the gym, but barely go. Guess I
should start, huh? lol I just git a giid
unsurance from my job, but I had Medplus so I
dont owe my therapist any money. I'll have to
think of a nice way to put it to him. I don't
see him again until next month since he's on
vacation.
Thats one thing I hate
about my job- is the constant sitting all day
long. Especially when I'm not assigned any
work. It drives me nuts. The only reason I'm
here is because it pays decent and I need to
pay my bills off. Also it gives me very good
insurance. Once I have everything almost paid
off I plan on going back to school. Thanks
for listening. If I dont respond back today ,
its because I'm gone, but I'll talk to u
tomorrow. Thanks again. ~SAM~
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Dear Sam,
If your parents
will be emotionally supportive, that will be much
better than low-income housing.
Tell me more about
your relationships with them.
How far away?
Who babysits?
Your parents now? Will they do more?
Don't be afraid to
admit to them that you have made some mistakes,
but that you are now getting out of the hole.
But, also, you don't want them controlling your
life. Most people "move out" of their parents
homes with a strong feeling that they want to be
independent. Usually that is very wise. So,
see if you can "bargain" to be let back in the
house on some sort of "recognized independence"
basis.
Let them help
you. They probably want to help.
You don't have
very "good" insurance if it pays for therapists
and psychiatric drugs. But, I understand.
Who PRESCRIBES
those anti-depressants? The therapist? Someone
else? 'Whoever it is, you should disconnect from
him also. He is guilty of malpractice for giving
you anti-depressants.
Tell me what exact
anti-depressants you are on, dosages.
It is not easy to
get off them.
Do you have
another doctor you know, or trust? Who might
help you get off the anti-depressants.
Part of the secret
of getting off those drugs is sweating. I may or
may not have given you a link to my
detoxification page. It is below. I want you to
read it and let me know that you have.
You want to
exercise very vigorously, a couple times a day --
and sweat. Sit in a sauna, swim, this activity
will help with your withdrawal symptoms. The gym
sounds great.
What is the "lol"
stuff! You NEED to sweat. Exercise is what you
need. It should be started on a gradient that is
not hard on you, but start immediately. Tell me
what you will be doing there? How Long?
What is your diet?
Cut back on the
drug. Some can quit cold-turkey, but it is
probably wiser to take a bit of time -- not more
than two weeks maximum to cut down to zero.
You should be
sweating all the meanwhile.
Tell me what you
are going to tell the boyfriend, and how you will
move out.
it is OK to lie to
him when he is your enemy. You don't lie to a
friend, but when someone has harmed you, and can
harm even more (like in abuse) you may not be
safe in telling him what you think about him.
Make some excuse,
like your parents want you, etc., and try to
leave as smoothly as you can.
Is there anyone at
work you are close to?
Are you having any
affair with anyone other than your boyfriend?
let me know
Karl Loren
|
Hubbard Detoxification
Program -- Clear Body, Clear Mind, the Book
-- August 14, 2002
Karl recommends this detoxification program
for removing the chemical pollutants you
probably have in your body -- so you can
achieve improved body health and mental
clarity.
What results should you expect taking
Vibrant Life oral chelation? -- August 14,
2002. Karl answers the question of how
much to take, how long to take it, what
results to expect and whether there are any
conflicts with drugs or other vitamins.
Coumadin! Rat Poison! One of the
most-visited pages among Karl's 20,000! It
seems that millions of people are taking
Coumadin, don't like it and are looking for
answers. -- August 14, 2002. The
answers are here -- a complete story about
this "blood thinner."
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From The Previous Newsletter -- August 7,
2002
The "Wrong Relationship" Cause Of Health
Problems -- Virtually ALL disease starts
with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7,
2002 This bold, tiny bit of data
could dramatically solve your "hopeless
disease" problem -- here is the "universal
solvent" for understanding the absence of
health!
Moral Drift in Society leads to poor
health, broken homes, and trillions of
dollars of investment losses -- August 7,
2002 At the bottom of "wrong
relationships" are violations of the common
sense moral code by which society runs --
deviations and perversions are becoming
more and more common -- as the society
drifts down the tubes! Something can be
done about it!
Hopeless Diseases! Many diseases are
actually invented for the sole purpose of
selling drugs or bad medical advice --
August 7, 2002. This is an usual
reference -- it is a work in progress by
Karl. You'll find here links to several
pages, different hopeless diseases, but
this same page will feature more and more
hopeless diseases, as Karl's research
continues, with full descriptions -- so
mark this page and return to it!
The Latest Wall Street
Industry To Go Bankrupt -- Ethics Inc.
Fascinating article in the Wall Street
Journal -- August 7, 2002.
See, here, also, Karl's comments about the
only method by which honesty can return to
Wall Street! Laws won't do it! The same
is true for the vitamin industry, and for
you to achieve good health! |
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Karl, My parents are the
best. They will do anythingfor me. Actually
they spoil me and my son and thats not good
either. They are very happy people . I don't
know where I got my anxiety and depression
from. It's certaintly not genetic. Even my
brother. He's a doctor in NYC aand is always
laughing, making jokes , smiling , etc. I wish
I could be more like all of them. I wish I
could just be happy and stop obsessing on
negative things like death and suicide, etc.
I have a mild MVP in my heart
from my panic attacks.
My parents and gram were
babysitting for me , but he needed to be more
around kids so I recently put him in daycare
and he loves it!
My phyciatrist (which I
seen 3 times for abour 10 minutes) subscribes
the meds. My therapist is usually there with
me. The meds , exept for the valium type one
doesn't work for me.
My diet is whatever I eat. I don't like
vegetables. I never did. I'll eat anything but
them.
There is no one at work
that i'm close to, and no affairs here. I'll be
going to the gym probably doing cardio.
Whenever i get a chance.
Ok my boss just came in -
I have to go. I'm going to see the Rolling
Stones concert tonight, so I'll be away in
Philly until tomorrow and won't be back to work
until Friday. I'm getting out early today, so I
might get your message and if not Talk to you
on friday!!!!! Thanks! SAM
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Dear Sam,
I'm going to be
very insistent that you answer my questions, or
this process will not work.
I asked for the
exact list of names of psychiatric drugs, and
dosages.
Your
psychiatrist?? That is a terrible additional
source of "wrong relationship" in your life.
I want his name.
Yes!
And, you must ask
him to take you off all the psychiatric drugs.
He will probably
refuse??
Tell me what
happens.
Your parents sound
like a good place to go.
But, answer my
questions, please!
Regards,
Karl Loren
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Karl, I am on 20 mg of Celexa
and 0.5 of klonopin twice a day. the klonopin
works for the panic part but the celexa
doesn't. I hate it. I think the phychiatrists
last name is Sharma. He has a real long first
name. He probably wont want me to go off them.
i've been on them for the last 3 months and
they are doing nothing for me. He just upped
the dosage to 30 mg. but I'm not taking that.
What can I do with my scarey obsessions. And my
anxirty and depression. ? Please help. Sam
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September 20, 2002
Sam,
I've already been
helping.
I believe that a
large part of your "problem" is that you are
connected to the psychiatrist. (And, the
therapist!) Until you let go of him and the
therapist, you are not going to get better.
Please find an exact spelling of his name,
address, and send them to me. That is an
important part of your "letting go." He needs to
know that you are ceasing to see him for any
reason. If you merely decide, mentally, that you
won't go back, and he doesn't know this, you can
always change your mind and go back. You need to
cut your connection with him.
This takes faith
in my help and courage.
Also you should
tell him that you want to get off the drugs and
let him say whatever he wants to say. As you
suggest, he will probably refuse, or try to
persuade you to stay on them.
It may be very
difficult for you, but I want you to look him
square in the eye and tell him that you ARE
getting off the drug, and since he put you on
them, you believe he has a responsibility to help
you off.
When and if he
refuses, let me know.
Now, I made some
very firm suggestions -- but didn't hear back on
them???
If you don't do
what I suggest, and then continue to complain
about anxiety, I can only say that if you won't
follow my suggestions, then don't. That is up to
you. But, I cannot help someone who does not
want help.
I really want you
to sweat. This is not a funny joke, but it is an
excellent (mechanical) way of getting your
attention outside your head, where it obsesses on
whatever, and on your muscles, your exercise, or
whatever it is that is OUTSIDE your body. You
need to exercise until you sweat, and get tired.
If it is safe
where you live, you should take a long walk at
night -- walk out away from home, looking at
whatever is there, then back, warm shower and
bed.
You'll find that a
mixture of calcium and magnesium will help you
sleep, reduce pain of withdrawal, and reduce
muscle cramps or pain. Particularly when you
stop the psych drugs? That same day it is
essential that you start taking Cal/Mag -- two or
three times per day.
I want you to
follow this direction exactly -- not just take
something I don't suggest.
One brand you can
find in most health food stores is called
"Calm." it is a mixture of calcium and magnesium
-- read the directions.
There are other
brands, but this is a good one.
How about
disconnecting from the boy friend?
Have you arranged
to move in with your parents.
Sam, I am
suggesting very large changes in your life. If
you don't want to do them, that is up to you. I
can't possibly force you to make these changes.
But, if you are
unwilling to make these changes -- tell me so
that I don't waste more of my time or yours.
Regards,
Karl Loren
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Dear Sam,
I have read only
the first few lines of your message.
You may think I'm
rude, but I think you are close to death at the
rate you are going.
I am willing to
help, but not willing to be told what is wrong
with my help.
If you want my
help you will follow my advice and suggestions.
Otherwise, it is
OK with me that you don't want my help.
I will answer this
Please
review Precept #4, Love and Help Children.